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Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:01 am
by Van der Decken
I am not sure what my favorite is. Been hanging onto Sawallisch 1989 as my favorite, but now listening to some of my other Rings to see if another will become the favorite. Here is what I have (Commercial releases, not listing OperaDepot or other such):

Sawallisch 1989 (I really like this one) [Edited to fix date]

Swarowsky 1968 (A unique and fascinating Ring, but not a top contender)

Bohm (Very good ring. I think definitely a top contender)

Goodall (another Unique ring. If only they had video recorded it as it was live with a apace-age staging so I read)

Levine 1988 (Adequate, but there is better)

Barenboim (Giving this one a try now.)

Krauss (Wish for better sound)

Solti (Need to listen again. They say it is the best, but I stubbornly look elsewhere, not always to follow the crowd, and what I look for in a performance is likely different because of my lack of musical education vs some others)

Janowski /Dresden (This one not doing it for me.)

Neuhold (not recommended. Adequate and not much more)

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:40 am
by Parsifal
Van der Decken wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:01 am
I am not sure what my favorite is. Been hanging onto Sawallisch 1989 as my favorite, but now listening to some of my other Rings to see if another will become the favorite. Here is what I have (Commercial releases, not listing OperaDepot or other such):

Sawallisch 1968 (I really like this one)

Swarowsky 1968 (A unique and fascinating Ring, but not a top contender)

Bohm (Very good ring. I think definitely a top contender)

Goodall (another Unique ring. If only they had video recorded it as it was live with a apace-age staging so I read)

Levine 1988 (Adequate, but there is better)

Barenboim (Giving this one a try now.)

Krauss (Wish for better sound)

Solti (Need to listen again. They say it is the best, but I stubbornly look elsewhere, not always to follow the crowd, and what I look for in a performance is likely different because of my lack of musical education vs some others)

Janowski /Dresden (This one not doing it for me.)

Neuhold (not recommended. Adequate and not much more)
The best part of the Solti is the Gotterdammerung, the least good part the Walkure. The other two parts fall somewhere in between, but overall the Solti Ring remains an impressive artistic achievement and is still a sonic spectacular.

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:05 pm
by Van der Decken
Parsifal wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:40 am

The best part of the Solti is the Gotterdammerung, the least good part the Walkure. The other two parts fall somewhere in between, but overall the Solti Ring remains an impressive artistic achievement and is still a sonic spectacular.
I may be in the learning process of why many do not go with a complete cycle but come up with their own mixed cycle. No single cycle is best for all four operas (musical dramas).

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:05 pm
by Van der Decken
Van der Decken wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:05 pm
Parsifal wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:40 am

The best part of the Solti is the Gotterdammerung, the least good part the Walkure. The other two parts fall somewhere in between, but overall the Solti Ring remains an impressive artistic achievement and is still a sonic spectacular.
I may be in the learning process of why many do not go with a complete cycle but come up with their own mixed cycle. Apparently no single cycle is best for all four operas (musical dramas).

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:40 am
by Van der Decken
Well I did not get very far into Barenboim's ring, barely a handful of tracks into Rheingold and this morning my MP3 player updated and so I lost my place. Then by the time I got home after work I had decided I should listen to Goodall.
The little time I spent with Barenboim it reminded me of Sawallisch's Ring in the sound characteristics. Slightly muddied.

With Janowski, I listened to all of Rheingold and it was clear as a bell, perhaps surgically clean sounding, too clean. I probably prefer the muddier sound and/or a live performance, which typically is not as polished as a studio work but will have more life in it.

But I think I have to change my approach. It is overwhelming to try listening to an entire ring. I should choose one opera and compare cycles based on that one opera. I think for me it is Walkure.

10 Rings in my collection and there clearly are others that I probably should get someday.

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:04 am
by Van der Decken
Just a note that I had the wrong date for the Sawallisch Ring so revised it in the OP. I have both, well not quite. The 68 I am missing Walkure.

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:30 pm
by Van der Decken
Your opinion please.

Krauss Ring vs Keilberth 1953 Ring. Am I going to have significantly better sound quality with Keilberth? I already have a decent remaster of Krauss. Why not Keilberth '52 or '55? Way too costly.

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:20 am
by Van der Decken
Here is a historic Ring that is up online for streaming:
http://www.operatoday.com/content/2009/ ... des_ni.php

Just scroll down on the right to the four streaming links.

Here are the covers as MYTO had produced them:
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If anyone listens I would like to hear how you like it.

Re: Wagners Ring--Complete Cycles by Same Conductor

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:58 am
by Van der Decken
Since that last post I have listened to Goodall's Ring four times and I am loving it. Right now it is my favorite ring and it is the longest Ring on CD at 16 hrs, 52 minutes! Never plodding along though, and beautifully sung.

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